Are you planning to try Razz for forum games again at some point?! From these posts it sounds as though you have tried this once before, as opposed to the regular Razz buy-ins at AP. I like the game, but I agree that playing with people that have never played makes the game even more unpredictable. Nice to see more people interested in the game though. I find it to be a nice change of pace from the oodles of Holdem games out there.